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UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 OR 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): January 31, 2011
Hanesbrands Inc.
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)
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(State or other jurisdiction
of incorporation)
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(IRS Employer
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1000 East Hanes Mill Road
Winston-Salem, NC
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Registrants telephone number, including area code: (336) 519-8080
Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the
filing obligation of the registrant under any of the following provisions:
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Item 1.01. Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement
On January 31, 2011, Hanesbrands Inc. (the Company), HBI Receivables LLC (Receivables
LLC), a wholly-owned bankruptcy-remote subsidiary of the Company, HSBC Bank PLC and PNC Bank,
N.A., as committed purchasers, Bryant Park Funding LLC and Market Street Funding LLC, as conduit
purchasers, HSBC Securities (USA) Inc. (HSBC) and PNC Bank, N.A., as managing agents (the
Managing Agents), and HSBC, as assignee of JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A., as agent, entered into
Amendment No. 7 (the Amendment) to the Receivables Purchase Agreement dated as of November 27,
2007 (the Accounts Receivable Securitization Facility). The Amendment provides for two
recently-acquired subsidiaries of the Company, in addition to the Company, to sell, on a revolving
basis, certain domestic trade receivables to HBI Receivables. Prior to the execution of the
Amendment, the Accounts Receivable Securitization Facility contained the same leverage ratio and
interest coverage ratio provisions as those contained in the Companys Amended and Restated Credit
Agreement dated December 10, 2009 (the Senior Secured Credit Facility). Pursuant to the
Amendment, the Company is required to maintain the leverage ratio, interest coverage ratio and any
other financial covenants contained from time to time in the Senior Secured Credit Facility,
provided that any changes to such covenants after the date of the Amendment will only be applicable
for purposes of the Accounts Receivable Securitization Facility if approved by the Managing Agents
or their affiliates. The Amendment also provides for certain other amendments to the Accounts
Receivable Securitization Facility, including changing the termination date for the Accounts
Receivable Securitization Facility from February 1, 2011 to March 31, 2011. In connection with the
Amendment, certain fees were due to the managing agents and certain fees payable to the committed
purchasers and the conduit purchasers were decreased.
From time to time, the financial institutions party to the Accounts Receivable Securitization
Facility or their affiliates have performed, and may in the future perform, various commercial
banking, investment banking and other financial advisory services for the Company and its
affiliates for which they have received, and will receive, customary fees and expenses. In
particular, HSBC acted as co-syndication agent and as a joint lead arranger and joint bookrunner
under the Senior Secured Credit Facility, and the Managing Agents and/or their respective
affiliates may act as lenders or in other capacities under the Senior Secured Credit Facility or
under other financing arrangements to which the Company or its affiliates are party.
Item 2.02. Results of Operations and Financial Condition.
On February 2, 2011, the Company held a conference call to discuss financial results for its
quarter and fiscal year ended January 1, 2011 and guidance for its 2011 fiscal year. A copy of the
conference call transcript is furnished as Exhibit 99.1 to this Current Report on Form 8-K.
Statements in the transcript that are not statements of historical fact are forward-looking
statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the
Securities Exchange Act of 1934, including those regarding the Companys long-term goals and trends
associated with the Companys business. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the
date of this transcript and are based on the Companys current intent, beliefs, plans and
expectations. They involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual future results,
performance or developments to differ materially from those described in or implied by such
forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include risks identified from time to
time in the Companys most recent Securities and Exchange Commission reports, including its annual
report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and current reports on Form 8-K, registration
statements, press releases and other communications. Except as required by law, the Company
undertakes no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed
assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events or changes to future operating results over
time.
Item 9.01.
Financial Statements and Exhibits.
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Exhibit 99.1
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SIGNATURES
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly
caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
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HANESBRANDS INC.
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/s/ E. Lee Wyatt Jr.
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Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President |
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Conference call transcript dated February 2, 2011 |
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TRANSCRIPT
Hanesbrands Q4 2010 Earnings Conference Call
February 2, 2011, 4:30 P.M., Eastern
CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Rich Noll, Hanesbrands Inc. Chairman and CEO
Brian Lantz, Hanesbrands Inc. VP of IR
Lee Wyatt, Hanesbrands Inc. EVP and CFO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Carla Casella, JPMorgan Chase & Co. Analyst
Bill Reuter, BofA Merrill Lynch Analyst
Ken Stumphauzer, Sterne, Agee & Leach, Inc. Analyst
Jim Duffy,
Stifel Nicolaus Analyst
David Glick, Buckingham Research Group Analyst
Eric
Tracy, FBR Capital Markets Analyst
Omar Saad, Credit Suisse Analyst
Matt McClintock, Barclays Capital Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator: Good afternoon, my name is Tiffany and I will be your conference operator today. At this
time I would like to welcome everyone to the Hanesbrands fourth quarter 2010 earnings conference
call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Lantz, Vice
President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Brian Lantz: Good afternoon everyone, and welcome to the Hanesbrands Inc. quarterly investor
conference call and webcast. The audio replay of the webcast of this call can be found in the
Investor section of the Hanesbrands.com website.
I want to remind everyone that we may make forward-looking statements on the call today, either in
our prepared remarks or in the associated question and answer session. These statements are based
on current expectations and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual
results to differ materially. These risks are detailed in our various filings with the SEC, such as
our most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q, as well as our news releases and other communications. The
Company does not undertake to update or revise any forward-looking statements, which speak only to
the time at which they are made.
With me on the call today are Rich Noll, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Lee Wyatt,
our Chief Financial Officer. Before we discuss our 2010 results and guidance for 2011, I want to
point out that the press release we issued last week offers distinct 2011 guidance for sales, EPS,
and certain balance sheet items. Additionally, we have added specific trend guidance for the first
two quarters of 2011 for sales, operating profit, and EPS. However, in this inflationary
environment, there are three major categories we intend to refrain from discussing in great detail,
so let me take a moment to highlight those.
First, our past success in securing cotton validates our disciplined approach to purchasing cotton.
This approach directly involves senior management and on-staff experts supported by economists. We
maintain sophisticated models to help predict price based on long-term supply and demand dynamics.
In fact, we have a proven track record for cotton purchasing. We were able to secure competitively
favorable cotton pricing as cotton moved up rapidly in 08, back down in 09, and then again in 10
as cotton moved continually higher. Therefore, we believe our approach to cotton buying is a
competitive advantage and we will refrain from disclosing specifics, such as forward looking cost
positions and specific cotton purchasing practices.
Secondly, we invest $5 million annually in consumer purchasing behavior research, which includes
elasticity information. As a result, we believe we have a better understanding of dynamics, such as
elasticity, than other apparel companies or the financial community. We will therefore refrain from
disclosing specific elasticity assumptions.
Finally, in this environment where were seeing multiple pricing actions in certain categories, we
need to ensure that we do not give the appearance of signaling price changes to our competition on
a conference call. Therefore, we will not discuss specific percentage increases for products, exact
timing or status of pricing actions at particular retailers or channels of trade, and ultimately
the impact of pricing on margins.
As I turn the call over to Rich, since we have released our results nearly a week ago, were going
to approach the call a little differently today. Rich will make some high level comments on 2011,
and then we will move directly to questions and answers. Rich?
Rich Noll: Thanks Brian. We had a great 2010, grew 11% for the year, 16% in Q4. And most
importantly that growth was very broad-based. Every category except sheer hosiery
grew, and we had substantial share gains. A year ago at this time, we had the number one share
position in mens underwear, with about a little over 33% share of the market.
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In 12 months, we grew that share 5 points, with close to 38% of the market. You dont see that very
often. But it wasnt just in mens underwear that we grew. We grew 1 to 2 share points in socks,
bras, active wear, and plus size apparel. Our brands are stronger than ever, and its absolutely
evidenced in our results.
So look towards 2011, the obvious challenge is inflation, but weve seen this coming and nothing
weve seen so far in the commodity markets has surprised us. In fact, we believe we have a
competitive advantage in this inflationary environment. Weve got number one share positions in key
categories, and also were value priced in the market. Those are both very good places to be. We
have a distinctive competence in buying cotton and understanding consumer purchasing behavior, and
we also have visibility provided by our global supply chain. All of this line of sight allows us to
proactively work with our retail partners, and that is something that other apparel companies are
not doing or providing for them. In fact, those other companies continually seem surprised by the
marketplace.
Before we get into this, I do want to give you some perspective in terms of the percentage of our
Company thats actually impacted by the commodity segment. Nearly 40% of our Company is not
cotton-based, and is actually immune to this big run up in cotton cost. That would be bras, sheer
hosiery, a lot of the active wear categories, and while they will experience some price increases,
some of which took effect even this week, theyre not going to see the big increases that youre
going to see in those cotton-intensive categories. And a lot of time Im sure well spend talking
about price increases in such categories such as underwear and socks, where we do have the impacts
of inflation coming in, and you do need to go into retailers and announce and negotiate price
increases.
But thats only about 40% of the Company. We feel really good about that other 20% as well, where
were continually negotiating prices on an ongoing basis with seasonal items. I can tell you in
this environment, all apparel companies are raising prices, and retailers are seeing it everywhere.
Theyre seeing it from US suppliers, Central American suppliers, Asian suppliers, and as I said,
weve implemented price increases, some of which took effect this week, and weve also solidified
pricing through back-to-school, and you will see higher promotional prices and prices in the
marketplace than you did the prior year. And weve even begun discussing potential price increases
or what it looks like for holiday and in 2012.
Fortunately, through all of this volatility, for us 2011 is relatively certain because weve got
the lions share of our cotton locked, as well as solidified the lions share of the price
increases that we need to deliver the results that we announced in our guidance. In terms of 2012,
were not really going to know our commodity levels until about mid-2011. However, with our
business model, it works very well with moderate inflation and can work very well with cotton at $2
as it will at $1.
So were in a great position to manage through the volatility in 2011 in what I believe will be an
uncertain environment for our competitors, but a relatively certain environment for
us. And we intend to use this disparity to our advantage just like we did in the recession of 2009,
we came
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out flying into 2010 gaining substantial share. Our goal is to duplicate this success leaving 11
and entering into 2012, gaining a similar amount of share. And with that, Id like to turn it over
to the operator for Q&A.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Operator: (Operator Instructions)Your first question is from the line of Matt McClintock, of
Barclays Capital.
Matt McClintock: Rich, revenue certainly looks strong and you continue to gain share, and in this
type of environment, I was just wondering if you could maybe provide some further detail on general
insights that youre having that youre gaining from conversations with your retail partners,
what exactly are they looking for in this type of environment and how is that changing? Theres
certainly been a lot of speculation on merchandise shifts and new strategies, at least over the
last 3 months, and I just wonder if maybe you could talk more to that.
Rich Noll: Sure. Overall, I think the first 6 months of 2011 are going to look relatively similar
to 2010. Its not to say that youre not going to see prices going up in the marketplace at retail,
you will, but theyre going to be more moderate, like the mid-single-digit price increases that we
put in effect. So a lot of the retail environment is going to be relatively stable in the first
half of 11.
Its really not until back-to-school and then ultimately in holiday of next year that youre going
to start to see these larger increases working their way through. Retailers fully understand it. I
see a lot of retailers, especially the better ones are thinking about how to operate in this new
environment strategically, and how to gain their own competitive advantage. Theyre already
thinking about what the implications are for their open-to-buy and where theyre likely to take a
little bit less risk and where theyre more willing to push. And the general themes that were
hearing are they clearly want to push strong brands. I think tertiary brands are going to struggle
in this kind of marketplace.
Surprisingly, you may think private label may do well; in fact, our research tells us that it
actually, similarly like in the recession, it actually doesnt perform as well, because people,
when they are laying out a little bit more money for something, they want to absolutely be sure
that theyre getting high quality products. What Im seeing is a lot of retailers be willing to
push branded basics a little bit more and theyre going to be a little bit more cautious for high
price point, high fashion, high markdown risk items, especially I think in back-to-school and
leading into the holiday season.
So thats sort of what were hearing from them. They realize this new price environment is here to
stay and theyre figuring out how to best manage through it.
Matt McClintock: Thanks. A second question, if I may. More housekeeping, but the tax guidance, Lee,
how should we think about that in conjunction with the EPS guidance for
next year? And in the longer term, what is driving the deviation from your 20% to 25% guidance
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through 2012? And should we be thinking about anything thats changed in terms of the structural
tax rate?
Lee Wyatt: The historic perspective is our tax rate in 2009 full year was 12%; this year it was
10%, and those tax rates are driven basically by the balance between off-shore profitability and
domestic profitability, and when you have events like in the fourth quarter where we had a non-cash
charge for the refinancing, that took the domestic profitability lower which shifted the tax rate
down. So in our guidance, what we did was give a little bit broader range from the teens to the low
20s saying, dont know what other events might occur during 11, but the tax range should be in
that teen to low 20s. So a little broader range within that EPS guidance. But theres been no
fundamental shifts or structural changes.
Matt McClintock: Great. Thank you very much.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Omar Saad, with Credit Suisse.
Omar Saad: I wanted to ask about demand elasticity, how you guys are thinking about it, how the
retailers are thinking about it as prices go up kind of across the sector, and do you worry that
theres some of the tertiary players, to use your term, who might be planning units a little bit
too aggressively and actually that could create a more competitive marketplace. And then I have a
follow-up on Nanjing.
Rich Noll: First of all, in elasticity, I think Brian mentioned in his comments, we spend a lot of
money on consumer purchase behavior research, and have while not definitive knowledge, we have a
really good idea, we think, of how different things play off against each other. In fact, I was in
a meeting not too long ago, a couple weeks ago, when we were reviewing consumer elasticity research
in categories that not only looks at the different share shifts or elasticity impacts across
different brands and categories, we can even get it down to how much each feature is worth and can
trade off in terms of price.
So we have a good sophisticated knowledge and understanding of this, and we actually believe its
much more detailed than any of our direct competitors, and probably better than most any other
apparel company out there. And so we intend to use that to our competitive advantage and want to
make sure were not sharing any specifics with that our competitors could see. We do work with our
retail partners to help them understand how we think categories are going to behave and how they
can best navigate this.
Overall, I think youve got a lot of people that understand that if youre raising prices in a
certain category, that unit volumes are going to come off. Theres a question obviously about how
much. And as I alluding to earlier, what a lot of retailers are doing is theyre making those
decisions in a lot of the apparel categories that they pre-buy, which is the bulk of apparel.
Theyre cutting units more where they realize that they have more markdown risk. So I think what
the retailers are trying to do is to make sure they dont end up with huge markdown exposure, for
example, next holiday.
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Now, from our basic categories, a lot of our research tends to say that the higher the overall
price point elasticity curves arent linear, so the higher the overall price point, there tends
to be a greater elasticity impact than at lower price points. And so we feel really good about
being the value-priced position in the marketplace, and at the end of the day, our goal is to try
to use this as an advantage to pick up share going into 12.
Omar Saad: Great. And then a quick question on Nanjing, and the new plant in China. You hear about
labor capacity constraints and labor going up in China, are you guys being able to staff up that
plant properly, and do you get a sense that the apparel manufacturing capacity in China isnt as
constrained as some of us are led to believe?
Rich Noll: First of all, manufacturing capacity in Asia is pretty well constrained. Theres no
question about it. A lot of capacity came out during the recession. The credit markets havent been
wide open by any stretch of the imagination, and so a lot of new capacity hasnt come online; and
fundamentally this is a supply-demand imbalance because of the strength of the developing markets
and more and more people are entering the middle class every single day and thats creating sort
of this strong robust demand. I think that type of thing is here to stay. So I dont think youre
going to be seeing capacity be extremely slack in Asia any time soon.
Specifically for us, our Asia cluster is doing phenomenally well. Its ramping up extremely well;
its probably got some of the lowest cost and highest quality in our system. Out of the 4 years
ago we had 300 employees in Asia. We finished 2010 with over 12,000 employees in Asia. Theres only
about a 1,000 of those employees in China. So I want to just to remind you from an exposure to say
China wage rates or currency impact, its relatively muted for us. Most of our employees are in
Vietnam and in Thailand where youre not seeing that kind of wage inflation.
Obviously, I do think globally youre going to see a little bit more wage inflation as food prices
continue to go up, but well be able to well easily handle all of that. So I feel really good about
Asia. Its ramping up extremely well and we absolutely consider that its going to deliver the
benefits that weve projected.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Eric Tracy, with FBR Capital Markets.
Eric Tracy: Rich, maybe first just in terms of I know you dont want to get specific on cotton
discussion and even specific on gross margin, but maybe just again remind us or walk through
potentially some of the offsets, be it the non-recurring occurrence of some of these air freight
costs to again sort of the underlying supply chain story, how you see it sort of playing out and
manifesting this year as a potential sort of neutralizing force to some of the gross margin
compression.
Rich Noll: We dont want to talk about overall gross margins or operating margins because we want
to be very careful about not inadvertently signaling whats going on with prices. Clearly by us
giving our top-line in EPS guidance and a number of other
things such as interest rates and tax rate ranges, you can calculate and infer where our operating
margins would be going next year. For those specifics though, Id like to turn it over to Lee and
let him answer those questions.
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Lee Wyatt: The two things Eric that you mentioned, the excess service costs, we talked this year
about $35 million hitting the P&L in 2010 with the biggest two quarters being the third and fourth
quarter, with about $30 million of the $35 million rolling off in those two quarters. And thats
pretty much whats happened. We could have a little spillover into the first quarter of 11, but
thats fairly small amounts. Weve also talked about some those are primarily not recurring and
that should give us a nice tailwind into next year.
In terms of the supply chain savings, were still on track on supply chain savings. This year 10,
I think were somewhere $40 million to $45 million in savings, so on track with what we said and in
that reasonable range, and we see those continuing.
Eric Tracy: Okay, then if I could turn to the balance sheet and the expectation of getting the 3 to
3.5 times on a free cash of $100 million to $200 million, again assuming within that is imbedded
kind of continued debt paydown, but maybe just sort of speak to again still a priority of cash,
maybe just speak to that, if you could.
Lee Wyatt: Sure. We continue to have a priority to deleverage, and were doing that. We gave you in
the guidance 3 to 3.5 times by the end of 11, inherent especially in the low end of the range is
you have to use your free cash to pay down debt to get to that bottom end. And our default again,
is always paying down debt.
Eric Tracy: Okay, fair enough. Thanks.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of David Glick, with Buckingham Research Group.
David Glick: Just two quick questions, Lee. Im just wondering if you can walk us quickly, not that
we want to look backwards but just make sure we all understand for Q4 probably didnt anticipate
that the tax benefit, just where you may have been a little bit short relative to your operating
assumptions for Q4, and whether or not some of those issues could spill over into 2011. And then
secondly, obviously the free cash flow a little constrained this year by, I presume, higher
inventory levels. How should we think about the kind of normalized level beyond 2011?
Lee Wyatt: Let me take the free cash flow first. We said in the guidance $100 million to $200
million this year. Probably about a $100 million constraint on that this year, about half of it
from receivables, because as we take higher prices, especially throughout the back half of the
year, thats going to drive your receivables higher, so maybe $50 million there. And as we see
continued high commodity prices, well see inventory go up from a cost perspective, but at the same
time were going to be improving turns reflected in that guidance. Were actually going to take
units down, so that will offset some of those higher cotton and commodity costs in there. So net
net, well invest about $100 million out of the normal free cash flow into working capital in 11.
Thats embedded in our guidance.
In terms of the fourth quarter, I would say as we look at our plan in the fourth quarter, versus
the actual results, the thing that probably was we didnt anticipate what the mix shift from
innerwear
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to outerwear. While our innerwear
grew 12%, which is very strong, our outerwear grew 31%, and so
that was very strong growth and included in that outerwear growth is the Gear for Sports, right at
about $36 million in sales when we closed that transaction November 4th, so we had 2 months in
there. That drove that outerwear sales up higher. I think that mixed us down probably $4 million
or $5 million in operating profit in the quarter.
David Glick: Okay.
Lee Wyatt: We then made that up, just because the tax rate probably gave us $0.06 to $0.07, so it
was basically offset with tax rate. I dont think thatsthere are no negative implications for
2011 from that mix shift in the fourth quarter. We feel fine about where we are in our guidance. We
dont think any message is sent there in terms of issues with 11.
David Glick: Great. Thanks for that clarification and good luck.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Jim Duffy, of Stifel Nicolaus.
Jim Duffy: Rich, is there any evidence that retailers are buying ahead and building inventories
ahead of anticipated price increases? Or is that something thats logistically impossible for them
to do?
Rich Noll: No, actually I havent seen any retailers exhibit that. Like any business there, a lot
of them just ended their fiscal year-end in January, so they were pretty mindful about inventories.
A lot of them have inventory goals that theyre trying to hit, and internal goals they are trying
to hit, and I dont see any evidence of anybody trying to buy ahead.
The good thing about a lot of our categories is theyre replenishment based, so were not actually
capped in terms of overall open-to-buy issues. At the end of the day, when a consumer comes in and
buys a package of underwear, the computer orders another one, so thats good. And I think they all
have an expectation that theyre open-to-buy are going to increase in 2011. The question is how
much relative to units, and goes back to the comments I was making earlier that, at least the ones
Ive talked to, were going to be a little more risk averse in the higher price point, higher
fashion where theres bigger markdown risks.
Jim Duffy: With open-to-buy in your categories, do retailers order on a unit basis or on a dollar
basis, typically? Is their open-to-buy budget set in units or dollars?
Rich Noll: Typically its been a very different environment than going forward. And so theyve all
had to wrestle with this, and you can clearly see internally in their organizations, its got to go
fairly high level to ultimately their finance organizations to help them sort this through. They
generally have open-to-buy dollars, its not units. In the categories in which they are placing
orders well in advance, which is how most of ready-to-wear operates, our outerwear segment has a
little bit of that, active wear, for example,
or basic fleece where they look ahead and actually commit to a unit and a dollar purchase well in
advance.
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And where were talking to them about those things, like for example in some of the fleece, basic
fleece categories, some retailers there are saying, well, their low price point things, the prices
arent going up that much. In fact, theyre probably only getting theyre probably just getting
back to the levels they were 2 or 3 years ago, and so theyre keeping the units relatively
constant. Ive seen another retailer or two, where they knock a little bit off the units, but not
so much. Exactly what theyre doing in some of those other categories obviously we dont have a
line of sight to. But fortunately in the replenishment area, were not as much subject to that. You
might have some short-term inventory draw downs, but again the computers really are the things that
are in charge of the overall ordering process.
Jim Duffy: Okay. Thats helpful. Switching gears a little bit, question for Lee. Lee, the press
release speaks to a rerating to investment grade status on the revolving credit facilities. How
should we think about that as it relates to the rates and covenants on that facility looking
forward?
Lee Wyatt: As we mentioned in the earnings release, in conjunction with our November bond offering
and then the payoff of the term-loan with those proceeds, Moodys actually improved our credit
rating on the revolver to investment grade. So we began then fairly immediately beginning to
evaluate how to change our credit agreement to reflect that investment grade rating status.
So this week weve actually launched an amendment. That amendment should lower our interest rate,
extend the terms on the revolver, and should add flexibility in the terms and conditions including
things like covenants. All those are just in-line with having strong improvement in the rating. We
expect the amendment to close in February. Weve got to go through the customary steps required to
close but should close in February. When it does, well announce those new terms and conditions and
term in probably in February when it happens. But we expect all the changes to be very positive, so
feel very good about our capital structure. This really kind of caps getting our capital structure
in great shape with the bond offering we did in November, now with this amendment, were going to
feel very good about our capital structure. Gives us a lot of flexibility and a lot of ability to
invest in the business and drive forward with very little concern.
Jim Duffy: Thats helpful. Thanks.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Carla Casella, of JPMorgan.
Carla Casella: Did you give your outlook for capital expenditures for the year?
Lee Wyatt: We didnt. But we can do that, its embedded in the free cash flow for 11 of $100
million to $200 million, probably a net of about $100 million of CapEx.
Carla Casella: Okay. And then the term loan amortization, since youve made the paydown, whats
your required annual amortization under the term loan?
Lee Wyatt: There is no term loan left so we have no amortization.
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Carla Casella: Its totally gone, okay. On then on the Gear for Sports side, can you just discuss,
$36 million in the quarter, on an annual basis how much does Gear for Sports do, or did it do last
year in terms of revenue? And do you see any change in the seasonality of that business now that
its under your umbrella?
Lee Wyatt: What Gear did prior to the acquisition, their sales were $225 to $235 million a year.
Their operating margin was about 11.5%, so we dont see any significant change in that at all. Now
they are fairly seasonal because its the third quarter with the back-to-school, back-to-college,
if you will, which is their strongest sales period and their strongest margin and actually the
fourth and first quarters are the shortest for them in terms of margin, but we expect that business
to grow very well. And keep in mind that in 2012, well start getting the benefits of the supply
chain synergies hitting the P&L. So by 11 should be nice performance for them; 12 will even be
better.
Rich Noll: And if I could just comment more generally on Gear for Sports. Its going extremely
well; every time we turn around, I think we see much more long-term upside revenue growth
opportunity and were absolutely convinced well get the supply chain savings that we had talked
about originally. And in fact, theyll grow this year, so they wont stay static with their sales,
so it will probably add about $215 million to $220 million incrementally to 2010, I think they were
about $30 million to $35 million in 2010 so they will probably be close to about $250 million on a
run rate basis in 2011. Feeling really good about it.
Carla Casella: Thats great. On the seasonality side, does that mean, so your biggest use of
working capital will be moved into a big third quarter use, is that correct?
Lee Wyatt: No, theyre not enough to Gear for Sports isnt significant enough to us to really
change our working capital requirements. That will be driven by back-to-school and our normal
business. But we, as always, we use cash in the first half, we generate cash in the second half.
That wont change in any material way because of Gear.
Carla Casella: Okay, great. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Ken Stumphauzer, of Sterne, Agee.
Ken Stumphauzer: Just a couple of questions for you. We all appreciated the color regarding kind of
the cadence of earnings throughout 2011. What caught me a little bit off guard is where the bulk of
the earnings growth was going to be, being mainly in the second half against accelerating cost
pressures. I was wondering if you could just maybe talk about whats out there that gives you the
confidence that youll see that kind of growth in the back half; specifically in that 4Q when you
dont necessarily have cotton contracted yet. Or if you do, its at an elevated level.
Rich Noll: First thing, let me hit the first quarter first. So obviously in the first quarter,
were overlapping last year with relatively low cotton in the first in this first quarter, our
cotton is in the 80 cent range but the pricing didnt fully kick in. It just gets
implemented in February, and usually its because of the pattern you can consider it only really
being in effect for about half
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the quarter when you want to quantify it. So thats what leads us to be slightly down in the first
quarter of 2011. We did talk about operating profit starting to grow in double-digits in the second
quarter. So youll start to see the operating performance of the business get better in Q2. Lee can
address in a second or two just to remind you that last year in that quarter we had a relatively
low tax rate of about how much, Lee?
Lee Wyatt: $0.20 impact.
Rich Noll: $0.20 impact. So that may mask a little bit of whats going on on the operating profit
basis. Remember, we do have cotton locked in through October. That
s 10/12 of the year, and so
theres just a little bit left in that fourth quarter, and the pricing that weve implemented, and
I think this is an important point, Im glad you brought it up, we dont increase price to try and
deliver numbers in any particular period of time like for example in 2011.
When we put in a price increase because you want to do it based on what at the time youre
experiencing is sort of the run rate level of cotton. So that if cotton stays at sort of those
levels forever more, your pricing is aligned with that overall run rate. So a great example is when
we put in our price increase taking effect now, it was based on cotton prices from unfortunately
back in the summer or whatever what we thought was high at the time at $0.82 to $0.85. So we
priced as if cotton would stay at those levels forever more. Things that were putting in place
towards back-to-school would get us to a sort of an assumed cotton pricing level or market probably
in the $1.15ish range or maybe a little bit higher right around there and sort of be sort of
cascade through.
And then in the fourth quarter if cotton stays at these levels, obviously that were seeing in the
marketplace today, looking at todays futures curve, not necessarily the spot market, we need to do
something in terms of price either in Q4 or in early 2012 to make sure our prices reflect what we
believe is the long-term sustainable prices for cotton. And thats how we sort of price.
So when you think about it from that perspective, were not just trying to incrementally get
another 1% or 2% to make the year; were trying to make sure the business has got the right margin
structure to operate successfully going forward.
Ken Stumphauzer: To that end, when you take price increases, I think most people probably expect
that in time you will see cotton revert to a lower level, wherever that may be. When that happens,
how do you think the price increases youre taking now will play out? Will you essentially end up
giving them back through opening price point at retail or was it something that you think you can
actually retain?
Rich Noll: At the price levels that weve implemented, as I said, we do think about this from a
long-term supply-demand situation; what we think is the long-term picture for cotton. And there is
no question that the supply-demand picture has changed and I dont think were going to see a
long-term average for sub-dollar cotton, if ever again, to be honest. Now, I also dont think that
necessarily youre going to see if we look out the
next decade or even 3 or 4 years, that if you looked at the current futures market that thats a
good picture of the long-term sustainable price.
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So our goal is to make sure our pricing is aligned with what we think is going to be the ongoing
run rate for cotton, and not reacting every single quarter up and down to whatever the short-term
spot prices are. And so were much more thoughtful about it and have these kind of conversations
with our retailers. So if you saw prices come down from these levels substantially, were probably
theyre just starting to match the price increases that weve secured in the marketplace for
back-to-school. And as I said, if they stay at this these levels, youre going to see us continue
to increase price, and actually the retailers fully understand that. Weve been communicating with
them on that all along and theyre hearing that from other suppliers around the world.
Ken Stumphauzer: I guess what Im asking to a certain degree is if you, at the end of the day in
the long-term, by taking these price increases, does it change the potential profitability of Hanes
3 years down the road?
Rich Noll: Now I got to go back to the long-term competitive dynamics and what we think is
long-term achievable in the marketplace. You look at our operating margins and a lot of companies
in our space and with brands of our stature should have operating margins long-term sustainable in
the low teens to mid-teens, maybe that 12% to 14%. Weve got the right things in place in terms of
our supply chain and continuing to optimize to help us long-term expand our margins and get into
those levels and those arenas. Clearly weve got to maneuver this almost radical change in sort of
step function of commodity cost. Weve got to get through that. But this does not at all change our
long-term picture of whats sustainable in our business with all of the advantages we have.
Ken Stumphauzer: And just one last question. You alluded to the fact that you know what pricing is
going to be like for back-to-school, I presume that youre having initial discussions with
retailers about the holiday season; Im just curious, do you think that there could be any risk to
the realization of those price increases with the initial price increases this spring if you see
any kind of adverse impact on either units, or profitability at retail?
Rich Noll: At the end of the day, as I said, I think we got a good understanding of what the both
elasticity impacts may be, and youre not going to be able to judge off of a month or a quarter or
something like that on what the long-term elasticity impact may be. We actually think that there
may be theres short term impacts and theres long-term impacts and when I say long-term, I mean
over the next subsequent quarters, so I dont think anybody is going to have a knee-jerk reaction
over what happens over a given month or quarter in terms of what theyre going to think about is
going to happen longer term.
And I just want to talk about our categories and then Ill come back to your question about
realizing price. In our categories, the average household in the United States spends on all
innerwear products, for all members of the family, $150 in total. And so youre right, we could
see a double-digit increase, 10% maybe 15% or more on average, thats bras, panties, socks,
everything. But for an average family thats going to be about $20 a
year. We believe we have the right brand position, and the value place in the marketplace, that
this isnt going to be a huge impact to consumers overall. I know theres a lot of people saying,
yes, but if theres wild inflation everywhere in the marketplace, they are going to have to cut
back everywhere, and that may be.
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At the end of the day in our categories, its not expenditures that they need to cut back to make
ends meet, so we feel good about the long-term prospects for our categories. In terms of margin
realization, theres no question, all apparel companies around the world are increasing prices and
at the levels that commodities are up, theres not enough margin to be able to sort of eat this.
Everybody is going to have to raise prices. Thats happening, retailers are expecting it and
theyre not sitting here trying to game a percent or so. The ones that are really good and really
smart and looking at how to manage through this strategically are spending their efforts and time
there rather than saying how can I delay this 4 weeks, or how can I shave this a percent, because
they realize thats not whats going to make them successful.
Ken Stumphauzer: All right. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of William Reuter, of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Bill Reuter: Just switching gears a little bit and talking about your SG&A costs in the quarter.
They were up a little bit. Can you talk about as we move into 2011 whether theres going to be any
big differences whether its advertising spending, whether its personnel, whether you have to
increase people, things we should think about that are going to change your SG&A costs on a
year-over-year basis?
Lee Wyatt: As we think broadly about SG&A in 11, its the same thing weve had for 10, weve
talked about leveraging SG&A going forward and we think were going to do that. Weve leveraged it
in 10, so I dont think theres any major shifts. We may spend a little more on advertising. We
talked about that to continue to strengthen our brand during this time.
And remember, though, when you look at the fourth quarter, Gear for Sports was in there and thats
worth about those 2 months of SG&A was worth about $10 million, so were a little overstated in
the fourth quarter just because of that Gear SG&A, so you want to back that out. Our SG&A is fine.
We manage it tightly. Were going to leverage it going forward, especially with this sales
growth. We feel very good about it.
Rich Noll: And let me just follow up on the comment on media spend and trade spend. There is
absolutely no question our plans are to continue to invest in our business, keep our brand strong.
This is not the time to cut back media or trade to try and offset a couple of points of price
increase that need to happen. In fact, that would actually be long-term disastrous. We need to
continue investing in our brands, investing with our retail partners to help them through these
times. And if we do all that, I think weve got a really great shot at duplicating our success that
we had coming out of the recession going into 10 gaining a lot of share, and I want to do that
coming out of 11 and going into 12.
Bill Reuter: The SG&A related to Gear for Sports, that you commented for the first 2 months; would
that be a similar amount for the next 10? There was nothing specific I dont know how kind of
the cadence of their SG&A is throughout the year.
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Lee Wyatt: Yes, we talked about when we acquired Gear that they would have an operating margin of
11.5% and their margins and SG&A is not that dissimilar to ours in terms of ranges and rates, so
fairly similar. Keep in mind, they get better leverage, as I said, earlier in the third quarter
with the back-to-college environment, so a little bit better operating margins in the third quarter
and the second; a little bit lower in the first and fourth, but the SG&A is fairly consistent.
Bill Reuter: Okay. And just one last one, housekeeping, in terms of stock-based compensation in the
quarter for fourth quarter of 2010, what was that number?
Lee Wyatt: The add-backs?
Bill Reuter: Just the number for stock-based comp in the quarter. I may have missed it, what your
stock-based compensation was in 4Q 2010?
Lee Wyatt: Yes, for the entire year I think its around $18 million, $19 million for the year, the
add-back.
Bill Reuter: Okay. Thats all from me. Thanks.
Operator: Your final question is a follow up from the line of Carla Casella.
Carla Casella: Hi. Two quick questions. One, housekeeping on how much was out on the revolver at
the end of the period?
Lee Wyatt: At the end of the year it was zero.
Carla Casella: Okay. And then on the cotton side, theres a lot of talk about cotton futures and
there may be some changes in how I guess who can trade and how cotton futures can be traded. When
youre locking in your cotton prices, are you using public futures markets or is it more forward
contracts with growers themselves?
Rich Noll: No, we work with our merchants and our yarn suppliers and they actually do the direct
hedging in the futures market. And I think the changes youre talking about, so indirectly were
using the futures market. Its not a forward purchase contract with growers. You really use the big
board to do that. In terms of the changes youre talking about, heres some discussions on whether
or not they should increase the up and down cents limit on a given day, that cents limit was pegged
actually a long time ago when cotton was averaging $0.60 or $0.70 and theyre questioning whether
or not, in this kind of environment, if it should be $0.01 or $0.02 higher I think is what might be
one of the latest proposals. So its not a substantial change that they would be talking about on
how cotton trades.
Carla Casella: Okay, was there something out today in the FT that mentioned traders that are
seeking to maintain positions to buy or sell more than 30,000 bails of cotton would
have to prove that its economically necessary to do so as the contract nears delivery. I guess
theyre trying to limit speculation in the commodity as opposed to actually using it to hedge their
business.
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Rich Noll: Yeah, that one Im not familiar with.
Carla Casella: Alright. It would be good it sounds like. But thank you very much.
Operator: I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Lantz for any closing remarks.
Brian Lantz: We would just like to thank everybody for attending the call today and well be out
seeing most of you in the near future. Thank you very much.
Operator: This concludes todays conference call. You may now disconnect.
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